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Post by kokainekinney on Apr 3, 2009 16:15:52 GMT
its just all round poor....i dont mind them, but it that lyric takes it too far.
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Post by dontask on Apr 3, 2009 19:51:43 GMT
yeah but the way you put it...thats like me saying how can there be a light that never goes out? they all run out of electricity sometime...
despite my sarcasm, i do know what you mean
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Post by sirmavers on Apr 3, 2009 20:12:08 GMT
It's a terrible metaphor, he is trying to be smart and couldn't think of anything other than this, poor metaphor.
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Post by dontask on Apr 3, 2009 20:22:42 GMT
im sure he didnt reli think much about it, just wrote it down then grunted to himself.
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Post by benraul on Apr 3, 2009 21:46:27 GMT
True actually, but though Morrissey is 'Mr Doom' the stuff he does is original, none of it copied, so he can doom all he likes. 'the tiolets smell of desperation' but Morrissey isn't all doom and gloom, the vast majority of his work is, but as Ferg says, he is also very wity and funny. Bit of a contradiction here dont you think Ant? I very much enjoy Morrisseys music. I was merely commenting that not liking a group for banging on about the negatives was a tad contradictory (like the lines above  ) I mean, "To die by your side, oh what a heavenly way to die"!!!!! Pretty negative. Anyways, another act I wish would give up is Simply fucking Red. A girl I work with went to see that ginger c**t last night. what a sorry excuse for music. God i hate Mich Hucknell. |
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Post by Fergal on Apr 3, 2009 21:55:07 GMT
It's not negative at all, its a beautiful message of romance, despair and hope (without sounding like a knob!). The chorus of There is a Light That Never Goes Out is one of the greatest statements in music I think, its fantastic, I'd not call it negative at all, if anything its taking the negatives and putting as much hope and love into them as possible. I could write endless pages of Morrissey lines that prove he is not the "Pope of Mope" and all that, the wit, humour and genius in a lot of his lyrics shines through, anyone pinning it as merely "depressing" or "negative" obviosuly hasn't listened properly
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Post by benraul on Apr 3, 2009 22:08:22 GMT
I could write endless pages of Morrissey lines that prove he is not the "Pope of Mope" and all that, OK then, cool. I am seriously interested. It is quite a fascinating topic though isnt it? His lyrics are often taken at face value thus giving the image that they are very negative. There is no question that he is a very talented, witty writer. I understand his lyrics are tongue in cheek as well, but for me I think he deals very well with the feelings of loneliness and despair. Take 'Unloveable' for instance. Maybe I am doing what I said many other do and taking it to much at face value? |
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Post by dontask on Apr 3, 2009 22:09:42 GMT
its negative on paper and fair positive in context i think. but if you cant relate its negative. hes said he very much enjoys him, and as we discussed i dont think morrissey is someone whose music u can just leap into ferg. so he may have listened properly, just not how you listened.
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Post by Fergal on Apr 3, 2009 22:12:02 GMT
Yes, but for every "Unloveable" and "I wear black on the inside because black is how I feel on the inside" there's a "Vicar in a Tutu" and "As Rose collects the money in a canister who comes sliding down the banister? The vicar in a tutu".
At the end of the day, he can write about quite bleak and sad topics, but handle it with sensetivity and it sort of helps you, and thats going about it in the right way. But he can also be very funny and he is always very intelligant and looks at things in a way no other pop writer does. And that's more than be said for Mr Tom Clarke
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Post by benraul on Apr 3, 2009 22:27:12 GMT
lol, very true. But then lets not singal Tom Clarke out here for not being as Intelligant and funny as Morrissey. Plenty of todays acts fall into that category. That is not a dig, Morrissey has built a fabulous career on his song writing abilities and is very gifted at doing so.
As I wrote above, he writes very well about loneliness and dispair:
"There's A Place In Hell For Me And My Friends" and"One Day Goodbye Will Be Farewell" touch upon those subjects. On face value "There is a place, a place in Hell, reserved for me and my friends. And if ever I wanted to cry, then I will because I can", can be seen as fairly negative.
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Post by sirmavers on Apr 3, 2009 22:29:39 GMT
I wasn't contradicting myself, I was saying that though he is very doomy, alot of his stuff is funny and clever, not optimistic by any means but he puts a funny twist on his misery. So he is in my opinion one of the great miserys but at least he puts a twist on it, not all slit your wrists like.
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Post by dontask on Apr 3, 2009 22:59:59 GMT
the whole slit your wrists thing is abit of a misnomer though, although the music lacks depth one could say that about almost any music.
and as for tom clarke, i think we'll live and die in these times is a class tracks and far from making me sad, it just makes me love preston. im not comparing him to morrissey, but he certainly has something going for him.
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Post by upton on Apr 4, 2009 10:51:32 GMT
'the tiolets smell of desperation' Now that is one of the most negative lyrics I've ever heard. its not that its negative, its just a pile of total and utter shite that means absolutly nothing! how can a toilet smell of desperation?! \ Desperate for another line mate. |
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Post by sirmavers on Apr 4, 2009 16:18:49 GMT
lol Upton, could well have that line thought through couldn't you.
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Post by upton on Apr 5, 2009 10:19:49 GMT
I don't understand what you mean haha.
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) I mean, "To die by your side, oh what a heavenly way to die"!!!!! Pretty negative. 