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Post by shebangsthedrums on Jun 25, 2008 18:06:04 GMT
The actual writers don't really have much of a say whether bands will be praised or slated. I remember Paul Morley (who used to write about manc bands like joy division for nme) saying one of the reasons he stopped writing for them was because he had no say in how articles would be pitched. Basically someone high up at nme decides whether the magazine will love or hate a band and all the writers have to comply with their opinion.
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Post by ibm03 on Jun 25, 2008 22:12:10 GMT
You are doing it again though. you are saying it is what "they" do, as if the articles are written by a team. These articles are written by individuals, so it is absolutely no surprise that the articles contradict each other. It is what i want to see at a magazine, each writer giving their honest opinion of bands and records (and not just giving them a good review because they were on the cover the other week, for example). Oh, and every fan of every band that has ever been has been paranoid about the NME "building them up, and knocking them down". Yes but it's written as the view of NME...not as the indivdual - if they want to do it that way they should profile their reviewers or as I said before use a panel.. Of course it is written as the view of the individual.....that is why they put their name (or initials) at the bottom of articles. |
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Post by ibm03 on Jun 25, 2008 22:16:50 GMT
Yes but it's written as the view of NME...not as the indivdual - if they want to do it that way they should profile their reviewers or as I said before use a panel.. exactly. And, I don't think you really get my point here ibm03. What I'm saying, and I think most of the people here agree with me on that. Is that the NME as a whole, or the editors, the leaders of the magazine, the people who decide who's reviewing what etc. Are doing this build m up, knock m down thing on purpose. Since it's a pattern they seem to use on a lot of bands. I really do get your point.....i just don't agree. It's just everyone over-reacting about one review from one journalist. |
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Post by joerevolver on Jun 26, 2008 15:12:27 GMT
well said ste I hate NME fanboys almost as much as NME itself, why can't they just show some consistency apart from consistently licking Alex Turner's arse and bumming gallows and the horrors, shame they can't be consistent with real bands!
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Post by ibm03 on Jun 26, 2008 18:28:17 GMT
well said ste I hate NME fanboys almost as much as NME itself, why can't they just show some consistency apart from consistently licking Alex Turner's arse and bumming gallows and the horrors, shame they can't be consistent with real bands! I'm not an "NME fanboy", far from it, i just think everyone forgets that individual writers have their own opinions |
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Post by Darren on Jun 26, 2008 18:59:09 GMT
The point is they don't have any opinions, just a few lines of tripe of nothing really related to the thing they are actually supposed to be doing! It shows they are gutter press of music publications.... How can you call them writers anyway? You can but not in a literal sense. This isn't just one review, you read through any copy and you'll find it  |
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Post by ibm03 on Jun 26, 2008 19:22:36 GMT
The point is they don't have any opinions, just a few lines of tripe of nothing really related to the thing they are actually supposed to be doing! It shows they are gutter press of music publications.... How can you call them writers anyway? You can but not in a literal sense. This isn't just one review, you read through any copy and you'll find it We are getting off the point here though. You are right, the NME has sunk to a low of extreme crapness. However, the point was that it was ridiculous that "they" (the NME) had praised "No You Didn't, No You Don't" in the "Cavorting" single review last year and in another article, but "they" (the NME) had now chosen to put the boot in to The Courteeners with the recent single review. I was just trying to point out that there is no "they", and that these articles were written by different people with their own individual opinions of the band. So it wasn't a case of being inconsistent with their reviews, cos they were written by different people! |
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Post by Fergal on Jun 26, 2008 19:58:43 GMT
The point is they don't have any opinions, just a few lines of tripe of nothing really related to the thing they are actually supposed to be doing! It shows they are gutter press of music publications.... How can you call them writers anyway? You can but not in a literal sense. This isn't just one review, you read through any copy and you'll find it We are getting off the point here though. You are right, the NME has sunk to a low of extreme crapness. However, the point was that it was ridiculous that "they" (the NME) had praised "No You Didn't, No You Don't" in the "Cavorting" single review last year and in another article, but "they" (the NME) had now chosen to put the boot in to The Courteeners with the recent single review. I was just trying to point out that there is no "they", and that these articles were written by different people with their own individual opinions of the band. So it wasn't a case of being inconsistent with their reviews, cos they were written by different people! I hadn't thought of it that way actually, you are very correct. Even so, the NME is rubbish and inconsistent in the sense of the same writers that praise a band in their early days will sl*g them off when the albums out...fact |
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Post by ibm03 on Jun 26, 2008 21:31:44 GMT
We are getting off the point here though. You are right, the NME has sunk to a low of extreme crapness. However, the point was that it was ridiculous that "they" (the NME) had praised "No You Didn't, No You Don't" in the "Cavorting" single review last year and in another article, but "they" (the NME) had now chosen to put the boot in to The Courteeners with the recent single review. I was just trying to point out that there is no "they", and that these articles were written by different people with their own individual opinions of the band. So it wasn't a case of being inconsistent with their reviews, cos they were written by different people! I hadn't thought of it that way actually, you are very correct. Even so, the NME is rubbish and inconsistent in the sense of the same writers that praise a band in their early days will sl*g them off when the albums out...fact That is very true. However, you could look at it from the perspective that the album failed to deliver on the early promise of the band. I have lost count of the number of times i have been very excited about a band based on a debut single and some early live shows, only to be let down by the time the album comes out. |
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Post by Fergal on Jun 26, 2008 21:35:34 GMT
I hadn't thought of it that way actually, you are very correct. Even so, the NME is rubbish and inconsistent in the sense of the same writers that praise a band in their early days will sl*g them off when the albums out...fact That is very true. However, you could look at it from the perspective that the album failed to deliver on the early promise of the band. I have lost count of the number of times i have been very excited about a band based on a debut single and some early live shows, only to be let down by the time the album comes out. True, the album is no "Definately Maybe" nor "The Stone Roses" as Mr Fray promised earlier, but I dunno, they seemed to have quietened down on that front around the album release and from then on. Perhaps from that angle it did disapoint, I must admit I thought it would be one of those like classic "The Queen Is Dead" "London Calling" "Definately Maybe" "Up The Bracket" "Whatever People Say I Am..." albums, and it did fall a bit short of that, but time will tell whether it did disapoint or not; but truth be told, in thinking of the Courteeners, the past year and a half I've had in following them goes before the album for me and many great memories like, they didn't disapoint for me. Getting a bit emotional haha |
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Post by ibm03 on Jun 26, 2008 21:45:59 GMT
That is very true. However, you could look at it from the perspective that the album failed to deliver on the early promise of the band. I have lost count of the number of times i have been very excited about a band based on a debut single and some early live shows, only to be let down by the time the album comes out. True, the album is no "Definately Maybe" nor "The Stone Roses" as Mr Fray promised earlier, but I dunno, they seemed to have quietened down on that front around the album release and from then on. Perhaps from that angle it did disapoint, I must admit I thought it would be one of those like classic "The Queen Is Dead" "London Calling" "Definately Maybe" "Up The Bracket" "Whatever People Say I Am..." albums, and it did fall a bit short of that, but time will tell whether it did disapoint or not; but truth be told, in thinking of the Courteeners, the past year and a half I've had in following them goes before the album for me and many great memories like, they didn't disapoint for me. Getting a bit emotional haha I wasn't specifically talking about the Courteeners by the way, just bands in general! |
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Post by Fergal on Jun 27, 2008 7:38:18 GMT
True, the album is no "Definately Maybe" nor "The Stone Roses" as Mr Fray promised earlier, but I dunno, they seemed to have quietened down on that front around the album release and from then on. Perhaps from that angle it did disapoint, I must admit I thought it would be one of those like classic "The Queen Is Dead" "London Calling" "Definately Maybe" "Up The Bracket" "Whatever People Say I Am..." albums, and it did fall a bit short of that, but time will tell whether it did disapoint or not; but truth be told, in thinking of the Courteeners, the past year and a half I've had in following them goes before the album for me and many great memories like, they didn't disapoint for me. Getting a bit emotional haha I wasn't specifically talking about the Courteeners by the way, just bands in general! Ha sorry I didn't notice I had to outpour my emotion somehow hahaha ;D |
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Post by kokainekinney on Jun 27, 2008 9:23:05 GMT
well said ste I hate NME fanboys almost as much as NME itself, why can't they just show some consistency apart from consistently licking Alex Turner's arse and bumming gallows and the horrors, shame they can't be consistent with real bands! that kind of thing comes with getting in the nme's good books, u will probably find that courteeners were offered to have a support slot on something like an nme tour, but had to reject it for whatever reason. Then the nme start to give the band bad press just because of their decision. I havnt read a bad word about bands such as klaxons, wombats and maybe the enemy, thats cus they have done an nme tour and they are now liked by them. Another example is how nme attempted to call morrissey a racist (which was the biggest pile of sh*t ever must i say) this was because he rejected the 'god like genius' award and the chance to play at the o2 arena at the nme awards. gotta hate the nme! |
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Post by ibm03 on Jun 27, 2008 13:13:42 GMT
well said ste I hate NME fanboys almost as much as NME itself, why can't they just show some consistency apart from consistently licking Alex Turner's arse and bumming gallows and the horrors, shame they can't be consistent with real bands! that kind of thing comes with getting in the nme's good books, u will probably find that courteeners were offered to have a support slot on something like an nme tour, but had to reject it for whatever reason. Then the nme start to give the band bad press just because of their decision. I havnt read a bad word about bands such as klaxons, wombats and maybe the enemy, thats cus they have done an nme tour and they are now liked by them. Another example is how nme attempted to call morrissey a racist (which was the biggest pile of sh*t ever must i say) this was because he rejected the 'god like genius' award and the chance to play at the o2 arena at the nme awards. gotta hate the nme! The Wombats have been criticised quite a lot, by a couple of different journalists, on the letters page in response to e-mails by readers. |
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Post by kokainekinney on Jun 28, 2008 17:02:19 GMT
i woudnt know to be honest, dont consider myself an active nme reader or someone that takes the time to read anything about the wombats! although a bit of anti-wombat press never goes a miss  |
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